tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post3324549600028160611..comments2023-08-02T06:04:58.140-04:00Comments on ~By His Grace and For His Glory~: A Father's Home-A Daughter's ShelterMiss Rebekah Ann S.http://www.blogger.com/profile/04269150765888375195noreply@blogger.comBlogger113125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-45193688384690100662010-03-31T22:09:10.560-04:002010-03-31T22:09:10.560-04:00Hi Rebekah,
have you ever read a book called &quo...Hi Rebekah,<br /><br />have you ever read a book called "In My Father's House" by Tamara and Naomi Valine?? It looks lovely, containing older writings encouraging daughters who choose to stay at home, but I need to know whether it condemns those who don't. ThanksJennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04905272108326085380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-29454146273166430112010-03-28T19:06:44.576-04:002010-03-28T19:06:44.576-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04905272108326085380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-37320216095255272142010-03-26T19:03:38.484-04:002010-03-26T19:03:38.484-04:00Well, I agree Mrs. Webfoot, there really isn't...Well, I agree Mrs. Webfoot, there really isn't a whole lot left to say! But I have to say that after visiting your blog, I am frankly baffled by why we have been in disagreement about the SAHD model. It appears that you have raised your daughter to be a Godly young woman and that you have supported her as she has followed the will of God even though that has involved her leaving home and going to college. That is what I've been saying, parents should support their adult children, not force them to stay at home if they feel called to leave. <br />If I understand Rebekah correctly, she does not support letting your daughter go teach in Spain or go off to college. If I am wrong, Rebekah, correct me.<br />So it appears that your beliefs are more in line with mine then with Rebekah's, yet you have been arguing against what you are doing with your daughter. I've been arguing for the model that you are currently living: Women should live at home unless they feel call to go elsewhere. Girls should not be raised to believe that being a SAHD is the only option. It is obvious that is how you raised your daughter since she left to become a teacher.<br />So again, I'm just baffled.Laylanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-33106381132270782482010-03-24T14:38:44.826-04:002010-03-24T14:38:44.826-04:00Thanks, Rebekah ;) Things are working normally now...Thanks, Rebekah ;) Things are working normally now. <br /><br />Thank you for your wonderfully kind words, Mrs. Webfoot; they are deeply appreciated. I decided to delete my detailed response to your last post before that one, since I don't think anyone else would require me to repeat myself again. <br /><br />Well-said, anon. I'm sure Rebekah holds Tamar to no fault, but some of the things you mentioned absolutely enrage me. The man-made laws in Deuteronomy are indeed signs of disgusting patriarchy; men were just so IGNORANT! Urgh. This is why I don't care to heed or repeat the treatment of women in Biblical times. Jesus was counter-cultural for a reason: He didn't like man's ways.Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04905272108326085380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-55845330354766180632010-03-24T12:25:30.765-04:002010-03-24T12:25:30.765-04:00Hi, Rebekah. I'm sorry, either my computer or ...Hi, Rebekah. I'm sorry, either my computer or Google is acting like a piece of JUNK. I can't delete one of my comments; it just asks me to sign in repeatedly with no results! Right now, in general I can sign in, but not when I want to delete a comment. Would you please delete my second-to-last comment to Mrs. Webfoot? It was made on the 23rd at 11:57 pm. I'll refrain from commenting on this thread until then to avoid confusion. Thanks!Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04905272108326085380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-38183148072572919572010-03-24T06:03:11.756-04:002010-03-24T06:03:11.756-04:00Hi Rebekah,
I'd be interested on your views o...Hi Rebekah,<br /><br />I'd be interested on your views on the passage in 2 Samuel 13 vv 10-22, (the rape of Tamar by Amnon) especially in the light of what Mrs Webfoot implied about not being a SAHD putting young women at risk of rape/coercion.<br /><br />It seems clear to me that Tamar was, in fact, at home, and performing her duties as a daughter - providing food for the family. However even her being at home did not protect her from rape.<br /><br />This story is also interesting in the light of Deuteronomy 12 vv 23-27 about the rules relating to culpability in rape cases. Deuteronomy indicates that a girl raped in town is CULPABLE because she does not cry out (despite the fact that many rape victims are deliberately silenced!) However Tamar is not considered culpable and stoned to death: and it is clear that although the whole issue is 'hushed up' (see Absalom's comments about it in the passage)any retribution that will be dished out will be dished out to Amnon. (Although Tamar is not exonerated to the point that her reputation is restored :I would be interested to know if you think it could/should be.)<br /><br />Quite incidentally, and referring again to the Deuteronomy passage, the fact that the rules for rape when a girl is in the country (and therefore cannot be heard when she cries out) are different, or in fact, that they are there at all, do imply that it was suficiently usual procedure for a young girl to be working outside her home, and on her own in a lonely place, for a deterrent to be put in place for potential rapists.<br /><br />It also imples that this working outside the home, alone, (the girls must have been alone or the 'being heard when she cries out' rule would surely be the same as the rule for in the town)was sanctioned by the elders, and regarded as an appropriate use of the girls' labour.<br /><br />I'd be interested in your take on this. I hope you enjoy your retreat/conference etc.<br /><br />I'm English so I'm not good at doing the 'blessings' stuff: it doesn't fit my cultural or personal mores to be very 'sweet' in my language, and it would feel false to me to do it, although I understand that your ways of using language are more effusive than mine. (That is not a criticism!)<br /><br />I hope you appreciate this if I come across as rather stiff or serious.Jonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-32289224253371511942010-03-24T01:18:40.105-04:002010-03-24T01:18:40.105-04:00Thanks for your kind wishes, Mrs. Webfoot. I hope ...Thanks for your kind wishes, Mrs. Webfoot. I hope to marry soon too; we'll see how soon God wants me to be a mommy, though. Enjoy your daughter's single years, they'll be gone all too soon. Maybe she'll meet her mate while she's off getting her Master's degree; our pastor's daughter met hers while on her missionary work and married at 27. Her brother married sooner and lived at home for his later single years until he did.Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04905272108326085380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-72833910215561054742010-03-23T23:57:26.056-04:002010-03-23T23:57:26.056-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04905272108326085380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-6591329164521625892010-03-23T22:53:15.689-04:002010-03-23T22:53:15.689-04:00Well, I think I've run out of things to say, b...Well, I think I've run out of things to say, believe it or not! I appreciate the fact that you young ladies are thinking these issues through.<br /><br />I suspect that somday we will hear about Jennifer's husband and children - as well as the books she is writing or has published.<br /><br />I suspect that someday we will hear the same thing about Rebekah.<br /><br />You are wonderful young women of God, and I love to see your passion for the things of God. It is refreshing, actually - though Jennifer and I fight like good sisters often do! <br /><br />I love both of you, and would be proud to be your mother. <br /><br />Layla, I am impressed by your love for God and your desire to serve Him. You have been through a very hard situation, and God is working even that for good in your life. It is so good to hear how God is leading you towards marriage. May He richly bless you!<br /><br />Anna, you did a wonderful job on those passages. <br /><br />What a joy to meet all of you! I think I'll let you young people talk among yourselves. You are special and blessed indeed! Keep digging deep into God's Word.<br /><br />It has been a pleasure indeed!<br /><br /><br /><br />God bless,<br />Mrs. WebfootMrs. Webfoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09688935118585583682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-66012151194021626852010-03-23T21:42:26.645-04:002010-03-23T21:42:26.645-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04905272108326085380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-55021590066930726322010-03-23T21:09:45.668-04:002010-03-23T21:09:45.668-04:00On second thought, I suppose it could be said that...On second thought, I suppose it could be said that Deborah "submitted" to Barak. <br /><br />Rebekah, thanks for all your clarifications. Please don't feel like you need to explain to me the reasons why you believe what you do, regarding female leadership etc; I and every seasoned egal knows what reasons the comps have and even the disagreements among them. I'm happy to listen, I just don't want you to think you have to spend a lot of time explaining yourself. I do respect your position and don't disagree with your choice to stay home; you clearly have a very mature mind and a healthy view of courtship and parental relationships. I wanted you to know that, in case my dissenting words were becoming discouraging :)Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04905272108326085380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-65891905954605127412010-03-23T21:07:51.790-04:002010-03-23T21:07:51.790-04:00Jennifer, who said this?
"By the time a per...Jennifer, who said this? <br /><br />"By the time a person's twenty, male or female, their parents should have allowed and encouraged them to make their own life choices."<br /><br />You do realize that these young people were considered to be adults since most of them by that age were married? <br /><br /><br />Then, what life choices did the young people in the passages you mentioned have? Their life choices consisted in "should I marry this person or that person"? <br /><br />You will not find our kind of society on the pages of Scripture! Then, by age 20, our young people should be ready to get married.<br /><br />The stay at home daughter model is the best way to acomplish that goal of preparedness for marriage and family life.<br /><br />Again, Jennifer, understand. We did NOT follow the stay at home daughter model. I have said that many times.<br /><br /><br />None of you are able to undermine anything that Rebekah is saying, though. All your arguments are demolished by a 17 year old girl! I love it! All you can say is that for her, it may be a good thing, but it is not for everyone. You can't refute her at all!<br /><br />Do I wish we had followed it? I kind of do, actually. I love what Rebekah is saying, and find it to be Biblical. <br /><br />We followed a modified stay at home daughter pattern, since our 25 year-old is still at home! ...and still single... I WISH she were getting married.<br /><br />In fact, you are still at home, Jennifer, so I can't quite figure out your objections. I hope that God gives you a husband soon, and that you feel happy and fulfilled at home until that time. I think that you will make a good wife and mother if God gives you that joy.<br /><br />Hey, don't get so upset with me! Please?<br /><br />Then, why don't the ones who are "older and wiser" join the discussion. See if they can knock holes in Rebekah's Biblical arguments. You've not been able to. <br /><br />Take care, okay? and God bless,<br />Mrs. WebfootMrs. Webfoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09688935118585583682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-9571942510351810442010-03-23T20:31:27.442-04:002010-03-23T20:31:27.442-04:00I agree with you Rebekah, and almost said that Deb...I agree with you Rebekah, and almost said that Deborah was likely right at home when people came to her. I also agree that it is not correct to call her a ruler. Israel's only ruler at that time was God. <br /><br />Yes, she did rebuke Barak. She went with him under protest. She did not take up arms herself, nor was it her idea to go to where the battle was being waged.<br /><br />Then, the subject of single women missionaries has been brought up. I would like to point out that many single lady missionaries who feel called of God to the field gladly give up their single status and even their ministries in order to marry. So, then, which calling do they believe to be higher and more sacred? That of serving God single, and exercising their gifts in their own ministries, or that of marrying and having children? <br /><br /><br />There is a hierarchy of callings, IOW. The Gospel call is the very highest. Then comes family. Then comes vocation or service in the church. That is as true of missionaries as it is of anyone.<br /><br />Single lady missionaries minister almost exclusively to women and children. There are many single missionary midwives, nurses, and children's workers. Others are in administration and hospitality. Others run orphanages and schools. Many that I know are teachers in schools for MKs. IOW, they exercise their gifts in ways that help families, especially women and children, even if they do not have families of their own. <br /><br />They don't head for the field, either, without the permission of their parents.Mrs. Webfoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09688935118585583682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-67170018410495950902010-03-23T20:12:20.934-04:002010-03-23T20:12:20.934-04:00Rebekah, there were women in powerful positions th...Rebekah, there were women in powerful positions that they're denied now in the early church; some of my older and wiser friends were just telling me this and giving links. It's debated whether there were in fact female ministers and pastors in the Bible. I think the Botkins are very misled and often unkind in their beliefs. Also, Deborah did have a position as judge and one of authority. She didn't submit to Barak, but complied with him. Even John MacArthur praised her and didn't speak of her as a mere replacement for weak males. Of course, her authority wasn't of a "ruling over" type; the simple reason for this is that spiritually ruling over someone is not approved of in the Bible. Most comps don't even understand what egals are really fighting for! It ain't hierarchal power.<br /><br />Thanks so for your sweet prayers :)Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04905272108326085380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-18785648342704767322010-03-23T20:05:07.924-04:002010-03-23T20:05:07.924-04:00Corrie Ten Boom was living as an ADULT, Webfoot. O...Corrie Ten Boom was living as an ADULT, Webfoot. Once again: you don't expect your daughter to obey you, do you? That's certainly not what you said.<br /><br />"The idea that I was mocking is that young women who stay at home are oppressed and will end up uneducated and miserable"<br /><br />Um, no; you were mocking the idea that women who are taught they're to be nothing other than wives and mothers are repressed, which they ARE. This is not the role, or only role, of every woman.<br /><br />On your own blog, Webfoot, when I agreed that women should be treated as adults and complied with your request to give you a source proving the extreme tactics of certain patriarchals, you suddenly asked me for Scriptural proof that we should make our own decisions, of all things. I asked you in turn for Scriptural proof that we SHOULDN'T and asked why you were asking this since you let your daughter do that very thing, but you refused to answer or even post my question; I think you had no answer, or perhaps didn't realize you were contradicting yourself. I then unnecessarily answered your question in detail, which you still didn't post (perhaps you haven't gotten it yet). Here it is again: the Bible often speaks by EXAMPLE and what better example is there than by God Himself? HE gives us power to make our own decisions!! This is simply called free will. He commanded several in the Bible to follow His instructions, but they had the choice to obey; Joseph chose to stand by Mary, Mary chose to obey God's plan. The Bible says to train up a child in the way he will go, not the way you will take him. Here too is an excerpt from the article of a heavily complementarian man who speaks against this adult-ruling attitude. Here, he's quoting and answering a woman named Anna:<br /><br />""Does the Bible say, "at the age of 18, daughters are no longer under the authority of their parents"? No, no and *no*."<br /><br />Perhaps, but the Bible does lay out some distinctions as to what age a person becomes an adult. There's a world of difference, Anna, between staying home and behaving like a young teenager who's still under her father's authority:<br /><br /><br />Exodus 30:14 (38:26; Leviticus 27:3) Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD.<br /><br />Numbers 1:3 From twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war in Israel: thou and Aaron shall number them by their armies.<br /><br />Numbers 14:29 Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward, which have murmured against me.<br /><br />By the time a person's twenty, male or female, their parents should have allowed and encouraged them to make their own life choices."Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04905272108326085380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-77847678718175633622010-03-23T19:53:19.614-04:002010-03-23T19:53:19.614-04:00Layla,
It sounds as if we will all have a busy w...Layla, <br /><br />It sounds as if we will all have a busy weekend! :) That works out well.<br /><br />I'm glad you see and acknowledge that there are indeed great courtships. Some are so set against courtship (perhaps at least partially because they hold to some misconceptions about it), that they are unwilling to acknowledge that courtship has led to very joyous marriages.<br /><br />No, it would not at all be no questions asked. They would want to know what I was feeling and why. They wouldn't simply send me out, not knowing where I'm going or what I would be doing! But Daddy sees in the Scriptures that it is his responsibility (and Mama's) to protect me until he gives me in marriage. Likewise, I see that I am called in the Scriptures to be a polished cornerstone in his home until marriage. They definitely trust me and trust the way in which they have descipled me. That does not do away with our responsibilities, however. I will therefore be a stay-at-home daughter until marriage. And, yes, Mary was indeed younger than I am.<br /><br />As to Deborah, I won't go into everything that I could now, as I haven't the time (I'm getting ready for the retreat, studying for a test I have to take before I go, etc.) and will elaborate on her in an upcoming article series on women rulers. But, I will point out a few things since you brought it up and asked about her. First, she was not a civil magistrate. She gave advice and judged in arguments, etc., dispensing her wisdom. She was not serving as a ruler (as in civil magistrate) so much as she was a judge, as it says. Second, verse 5 of Jud. 4 says that she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah and people came to her for judgment. She was, in all likelihood, at home! People came to her. She was under her own palm tree and it sounds like her tent was there (people usually dwelt in tents, with a nomadic type of lifestyle then). So, I would not place her as an example of a woman working outside her home. Third, she rebuked Barak for not leading as he himself should. Fourth, she ruled during a terrible time. She was raised up when men did what was right in their own eyes and didn't heed God's Word. Fifth, she did not want to go to the battle and did finally submit to Barak when he kept insisting that she go to help him. And, sixth, she did not actively engage in the battle, fighting, herself.<br /><br />You said, "Some women are called to leave home single and some are called to work outside the home after marriage." Honestly, I don't see examples of this in the Scriptures. Nor do I even see women being called to be missionaries on their own. In the Scriptures, I see men being called and men and women ministering together to people, but not women on their own.<br /><br />Blessings to you,<br />Rebekah<br />~~~~~~~~~~<br /><br />P.S. I have also been planning to do some articles on the topic of women in leadership positions in the church, so stay tuned! :)Miss Rebekah Ann S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04269150765888375195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-16184740360300374282010-03-23T19:53:00.032-04:002010-03-23T19:53:00.032-04:00Jennifer,
You wrote, "I'm glad you know ...Jennifer,<br /><br />You wrote, "I'm glad you know about the early women of the church! This happened in even the most strict of circles and the reason is that they saw support in Scripture for such practices; church used to consist of people fellowshipping, not one man ruling all others. People like the Botkins insist on relating EVERYTHING supporting female leaders to feminism and this angers me. Unless they'd wish to call the Bible and its female leaders feministic, this is an emotional and subjective falsehood." First, the early church father I mentioned before was ousted for his Gnostic and feministic beliefs by the other church fathers because of the fact that they did not see women pastors as approved in the Bible. As Mrs. Webfoot said, there were no women priests or pastors. There were likewise no women apostles. There is a certain kind of Biblical female leadership (i.e. teaching and training other women -Titus 2:4-5), and the Botkin sisters (very dear and kind ladies, by the way) agree with this. But, as I will post about in the near future, there are other areas of leadership that are not appropriate for women Biblically speaking.<br /><br />I am so sorry to hear that your family is not doing well! :( I'll definitely be praying that they would feel better soon, hopefully prior to your visit with your grandma! It's no fun to be sick. It seems like oftentimes, the pollen of springtime brings the sniffles! Mama and Andrew are a little under the weather right now due to the pollen. <br /><br />Thanks for letting us know about your family, so that we could pray for them! :)<br /><br />Rebekah<br />~~~~~~~~~~~<br />Mrs. Webfoot,<br /><br />You're so right-feminist philosophies have heavily infiltrated everything, and everyone has been influenced thereby in one way or another. I, myself, was at one time rather feministic in some ways.<br /><br />As to His revealed will, I was speaking, in that comment, of His Word, the Bible. Of course, His will is made evident to people now, as well, as when my father felt that it was the Lord's will that we move.<br /><br />Thanks for the question!<br />Rebekah<br />~~~~~~~~~~Miss Rebekah Ann S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04269150765888375195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-73970321399971269342010-03-23T19:40:36.664-04:002010-03-23T19:40:36.664-04:00Let me clarify, Jennifer. The idea that I was mock...Let me clarify, Jennifer. The idea that I was mocking is that young women who stay at home are oppressed and will end up uneducated and miserable, which is what you seemed to be implying. You and I do not seem to have the same concept of what obedience is. It seems as though you cannot imagine that a young adult woman could be free and at the same time living at home in obedience to her parents' wishes. Am I right? <br /><br />I say that she can be both free and obedient. She can be mature and wise even if she never leaves her father's home.<br /><br />The example of Corrie Ten Boom has been appealed to, and actually, she is an excellent example of the stay at home daughter. She never would have left home if it had not been for the holocaust! She was in her 50s if I remember right when she "left home!" Was she benighted, immature, and repressed? I don't think so!Mrs. Webfoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09688935118585583682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-55341858830345680812010-03-23T18:06:12.687-04:002010-03-23T18:06:12.687-04:00Layla makes perfect sense and deserves respect, Mr...Layla makes perfect sense and deserves respect, Mrs. Webfoot. So do the girls who suffer from being told they're made for men. John MacAurthur understands very little about women, less than many complimentarians, in fact.<br /><br />"If so, then what about single women or those who never marry?"<br /><br />"So, where will these poor benighted women find fulfillment and be able to reach their full potential?"<br /><br />In GOD, Mrs. Webfoot. In whatever calling HE has for them. In the knowledge that they are His daughters, in His image, not in any earthly relationship. What about single women? Why are you even asking this? God has plans for them too. No one has disagreed thus far that not every woman is meant to marry.Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04905272108326085380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-11286707282455936062010-03-23T16:49:32.588-04:002010-03-23T16:49:32.588-04:00Jennifer:
Your scathing sarcasm is unnecessary and...Jennifer:<br />Your scathing sarcasm is unnecessary and frankly foolish, since it will NOT help these women reach their full potential and this is a serious matter.>>><br /><br />Some of what is said in opposition to this model that does not deserve respect. <br /><br /><br />So, where will these poor benighted women find fulfillment and be able to reach their full potential?Mrs. Webfoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09688935118585583682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-6418514057645594262010-03-23T16:40:08.806-04:002010-03-23T16:40:08.806-04:00Layla, what I don't see in what you are saying...Layla, what I don't see in what you are saying is an understaning of God's design for women. What was God thinking when He created woman? What was His stated purpose in making Eve? Is Eve the design that God has for all women, or was she just one woman who happened to be called by God to be a help meet to a specific man?<br /><br /><br />That is the crux of the matter, IMO. Does Eve's example of being created to be help meet and companion to Adam and the mother of all living say anything to you and to me as women? Is Eve's life to be the prototype for all women?<br /><br />I believe that she is the model woman and that all women are daughters of Eve. We get our programming as women from our first parents, especially from Eve. We are Eve. If so, in what ways?<br /><br />If so, then what about single women or those who never marry?<br /><br />I think that the best treatment of God's High Calling for Women was done by John MacArtur. I will reference it again because 1.) Rebekah references it in one of her papers 2.) it used to annoy me no end when I was more egalitarian in my thinking, though not so much in how I actually lived 3.) I think that he understands God's high calling for women better than most do.<br /><br />Would you read it? It will make you mad.<br />:-) I'm smiling because it made me mad for a long time! I'm not making fun of you, but rather laughing at myself. <br /><br />It's a 4 part series based on 1 Timothy 2:9-15.<br /><br />1. God's High Calling for Women - Part 1 - 1 Timothy 2:9<br /><br />http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/54-14.HTM<br /><br />2. Part 2 - vv. 10,11<br /><br />http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/54-15.HTM<br /><br />3. Part 3 - v. 11 again<br /><br />http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/54-16.HTM<br /><br />4. Part 4 - v. 12-15<br /><br />http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/54-17.htmMrs. Webfoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09688935118585583682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-3572174761827718962010-03-23T14:48:41.711-04:002010-03-23T14:48:41.711-04:00Mrs. Webfoot, I never said that the SAHD/W model w...Mrs. Webfoot, I never said that the SAHD/W model was wrong. Just that not all women were called to do that life. There is nothing wrong with that model if that is what they feel is God's call for their life. And yes, some women will not reach their full potential if they are forced to be SAHD when God is calling them elsewhere.<br /><br />Deborah's husband was Lappidoth, not Barak. I agree there is no evidence that Deborah neglected her home by having a job outside her home, that was kind of my point. Women who work outside the home are not automatically neglecting it.<br /><br />I also agree that most single women missionaries do get married at some point to other missionaries, but not all are called to marriage. Some women are called by God to remain single and to serve as missionaries. Not all women are called to remain at home, some are called to leave and go serve God in other locations.<br /><br />I personally lived at home till I was 25. I worked full-time and went to college at night full-time, but I was living at home. I left when I felt that God wanted me to move to a location where I would be able to serve in the community better then I would my parent's house. My current location make it possible for me to have Bible studies and offer emotional/finacial/spiritual support to in a community that doesn't have a lot of Christian influence.<br /><br />Like I said before, there is nothing wrong with the stay at home daughter or wife model, I just don't agree that God calls all women to that model. Some women are called to leave home single and some are called to work outside the home after marriage.Laylanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-7135209792941889392010-03-23T14:46:18.342-04:002010-03-23T14:46:18.342-04:00Mrs. Webfoot, you're speaking erroneously agai...Mrs. Webfoot, you're speaking erroneously again. Deborah did not submit to Barak at all; she marched into battle with him and helped lead it. Why is this so threatening to you? Do you think you're reading the Scripture without the man-made patriarchal lens influencing it? <br /><br />We don't play games with Greek grammar, Donna; we don't need to when it comes to Deborah. I read her story after only reading the patriarchal twist on it and it was VERY clear to me. No matter what, you feel the need to force patriarchal shades on EVERYTHING. It doesn't work that way. Women still go to war, and many fought in history; you need to accept this and respect them.<br /><br />"Poor dears! They will never reach their full potential!"<br /><br />Your scathing sarcasm is unnecessary and frankly foolish, since it will NOT help these women reach their full potential and this is a serious matter.<br /><br />"She was not a pastor or preacher, but she was a servant in the church under male, patriarchal leadership I might add"<br /><br />You still don't see, as most patriarchals don't, what pastorship really is. I suggest you read "Rethinking the Wineskin". And don't you know what preaching means? It quite often means teaching the Word to others, including men, which many women are allowed to do everywhere-except the church.<br /><br />"I think that what both Layla and Jennifer are missing is the fact that God created women for a specific purpose in mind"<br /><br />Yes-serving Him, as men do. Deborah's role WAS to judge Israel.<br /><br />"What is wrong with a young woman staying at home until she marries and then staying at home after she marries?"<br /><br />You don't seem to listen: we've said, repeatedly, that there's nothing wrong with it provided that it's HER choice too.<br /><br />Layla isn't judging anyone, but you persist in judging her in a situation you know nothing about.Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04905272108326085380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-23139707761569787652010-03-23T13:54:31.038-04:002010-03-23T13:54:31.038-04:00Well-said, Layla. And Mary was actually 14!
Thank...Well-said, Layla. And Mary was actually 14!<br /><br />Thank you so for your nice prayers :)Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04905272108326085380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9105226992849497642.post-48063538807819918432010-03-23T13:52:29.181-04:002010-03-23T13:52:29.181-04:00"Egalitarianism is indeed a form of feminist ..."Egalitarianism is indeed a form of feminist theology"<br /><br />No it isn't, and it isn't bad theology. I understand what you mean as far as saying "comp position=patriarchy, egal position=feminism", but it still isn't true. Try reading Joanne Krupp's book for a better understanding, or at least the introduction.Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04905272108326085380noreply@blogger.com